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		<title>By: NielsR</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/indolence/class-and-political-schizphrenia/#comment-1956</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You sound like you&#039;re trying to pigeonhole yourself. So you&#039;ve decided that class can&#039;t drive political tribalism anymore, because the vast majority is effectively middle class. Great. But you&#039;re looking to redraw tribal boundaries based on some other attribute? Why?

&quot;I’m not a land-owner, rentier, or industrialist, so the Conservatives aren’t looking out for my interests. I’m not an industrial worker, so Labour isn’t either.&quot;

Vote for the Tories, we represent dog-owners!

If you&#039;re right that class is becoming irrelevant, and I hope so, I just pray that it drives political parties to draw up coherent themes in their policies, articulating broad principles for what they believe a government should do, and what it shouldn&#039;t. Then we&#039;ll see some interesting elections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like you&#8217;re trying to pigeonhole yourself. So you&#8217;ve decided that class can&#8217;t drive political tribalism anymore, because the vast majority is effectively middle class. Great. But you&#8217;re looking to redraw tribal boundaries based on some other attribute? Why?</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not a land-owner, rentier, or industrialist, so the Conservatives aren’t looking out for my interests. I’m not an industrial worker, so Labour isn’t either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Vote for the Tories, we represent dog-owners!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re right that class is becoming irrelevant, and I hope so, I just pray that it drives political parties to draw up coherent themes in their policies, articulating broad principles for what they believe a government should do, and what it shouldn&#8217;t. Then we&#8217;ll see some interesting elections.</p>
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		<title>By: bellagerens</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do see what you mean. I think Chris understands the narrative of the Conservatives, which is of course different from the understanding you get when you support or self-identify with them.

It&#039;s a shame for both parties, because I think when you look at it from the kind of perspective you present, they&#039;ve both become caricatures of themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do see what you mean. I think Chris understands the narrative of the Conservatives, which is of course different from the understanding you get when you support or self-identify with them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame for both parties, because I think when you look at it from the kind of perspective you present, they&#8217;ve both become caricatures of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Cooke</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s all very good...and I like Chris too. But he really doesn&#039;t understand the Conservative Party. If the Constituency he describes as its &quot;core&quot; was really so, there would have been no Tory government.

The core of the Party - certainly since the 1920s - has been the middling sort (folk like me). Some were business people, some were professionals... but many were just ordianry working men and women. The Tories I was brought up with weren&#039;t rich (not that they were poor)...

Sadly this has faded - just as the Labour Party was captured by middle class public sector professionals (and is their &#039;bitch&#039; these days), my party has drifted back into some sort of 19th century Torydom. A bunch of country Toffs masquerading at metropolitan sophistication. A world where &quot;middle class&quot; means having a nanny, a cleaner and a house in the country rather that &quot;oh shit how can we pay the mortgage this month&quot; or &quot;do we get the car fixed or buy the kids new school shoes?&quot;

...you get the point..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all very good&#8230;and I like Chris too. But he really doesn&#8217;t understand the Conservative Party. If the Constituency he describes as its &#8220;core&#8221; was really so, there would have been no Tory government.</p>
<p>The core of the Party &#8211; certainly since the 1920s &#8211; has been the middling sort (folk like me). Some were business people, some were professionals&#8230; but many were just ordianry working men and women. The Tories I was brought up with weren&#8217;t rich (not that they were poor)&#8230;</p>
<p>Sadly this has faded &#8211; just as the Labour Party was captured by middle class public sector professionals (and is their &#8216;bitch&#8217; these days), my party has drifted back into some sort of 19th century Torydom. A bunch of country Toffs masquerading at metropolitan sophistication. A world where &#8220;middle class&#8221; means having a nanny, a cleaner and a house in the country rather that &#8220;oh shit how can we pay the mortgage this month&#8221; or &#8220;do we get the car fixed or buy the kids new school shoes?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;you get the point..</p>
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		<title>By: Party time? &#187; 21stCenturyFix.org.uk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Party time? &#187; 21stCenturyFix.org.uk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to this post: another post which references Chris&#8217;s original can be found here, making absolutely patent the quandary a complex population of thinking voters now finds itself in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to this post: another post which references Chris&#8217;s original can be found here, making absolutely patent the quandary a complex population of thinking voters now finds itself in [&#8230;]</p>
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