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	<description>inde vides agilem bella gerentem</description>
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		<title>By: Surreptitious Evil</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>Surreptitious Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh goodness, which one of whose?  Sorry for interrupting this lovely little spat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goodness, which one of whose?  Sorry for interrupting this lovely little spat.</p>
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		<title>By: bellagerens</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1721</link>
		<dc:creator>bellagerens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realise, don&#039;t you, how that very comment demonstrates... well, never mind. Off you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realise, don&#8217;t you, how that very comment demonstrates&#8230; well, never mind. Off you go.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Rob</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can haz blogstalker?

@bellagerens First rule of dealing with stalkers is to ignore them utterly and totally, without variation regardless of what they do.

@labete Ah. Excellent advice.

@bellagerens It&#039;s contact and attention they want. Deny them that and they will (eventually) bugger off.

@labete Sounds like a good plan to me! I was inclined to do that anyway - nice to find out my instincts are sound.&quot;

As I said, rather precious and not very honest. Bye Bella.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can haz blogstalker?</p>
<p>@bellagerens First rule of dealing with stalkers is to ignore them utterly and totally, without variation regardless of what they do.</p>
<p>@labete Ah. Excellent advice.</p>
<p>@bellagerens It&#8217;s contact and attention they want. Deny them that and they will (eventually) bugger off.</p>
<p>@labete Sounds like a good plan to me! I was inclined to do that anyway &#8211; nice to find out my instincts are sound.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I said, rather precious and not very honest. Bye Bella.</p>
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		<title>By: bellagerens</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>bellagerens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a joke, you dumbass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a joke, you dumbass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Rob</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS you were not being &quot;stalked&quot; as you tweeted, you were being argued with over opinions you freely put into the public domain. Good grief, you are a pathetic bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS you were not being &#8220;stalked&#8221; as you tweeted, you were being argued with over opinions you freely put into the public domain. Good grief, you are a pathetic bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Rob</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did I take exception to your use of the word? Produce the evidence.

&quot;Your further questions was ‘And why do you say that mentioning sexism is un-libertarian? Is it?’ Since I never professed any such thing, I didn’t see any point in answering you.&quot;

You had tweeted:

“Apparently mentioning sexism is un-libertarian because socialists use the word, too. We purging the language now in our quest for purity?”

As I had never suggested that - if you disagree, again produce the evidence - a not unfair question.

Unless you were just attempting to misrepresent me.....

No need to answer, Bella - I think I&#039;ve seen enough of you libertarians; rather precious and not very honest. I&#039;m sure you will think of something to say, but I will leave you in the company of your nudie teenie site fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did I take exception to your use of the word? Produce the evidence.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your further questions was ‘And why do you say that mentioning sexism is un-libertarian? Is it?’ Since I never professed any such thing, I didn’t see any point in answering you.&#8221;</p>
<p>You had tweeted:</p>
<p>“Apparently mentioning sexism is un-libertarian because socialists use the word, too. We purging the language now in our quest for purity?”</p>
<p>As I had never suggested that &#8211; if you disagree, again produce the evidence &#8211; a not unfair question.</p>
<p>Unless you were just attempting to misrepresent me&#8230;..</p>
<p>No need to answer, Bella &#8211; I think I&#8217;ve seen enough of you libertarians; rather precious and not very honest. I&#8217;m sure you will think of something to say, but I will leave you in the company of your nudie teenie site fan.</p>
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		<title>By: bellagerens</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>bellagerens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You took exception to my use of the word sexist; I told you I thought it was valid and said I would also continue to use other words used by socialists. Your further questions was &#039;And why do you say that mentioning sexism is un-libertarian? Is it?&#039; Since I never professed any such thing, I didn&#039;t see any point in answering you. I also saw no need to leave yet another comment on the Telegraph article itself attacking Harbinger, as others had done so already. It is not my job to ensure that Harbinger reads my criticisms or defends himself, any more than it&#039;s my job to ensure Gordon Brown, or Ed Balls, can do those things. Perhaps you think no one has any right to criticise unless the object of their criticism knows about it and can answer back. Or perhaps you think my sniping at defenceless targets is somehow ignoble. Whatever. It is not at all obvious to me that you&#039;re actually interested in answers or fairness, considering your noteworthy disagreement of even my most flippant statements of opinion, so you&#039;ll forgive me if I stop giving a shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You took exception to my use of the word sexist; I told you I thought it was valid and said I would also continue to use other words used by socialists. Your further questions was &#8216;And why do you say that mentioning sexism is un-libertarian? Is it?&#8217; Since I never professed any such thing, I didn&#8217;t see any point in answering you. I also saw no need to leave yet another comment on the Telegraph article itself attacking Harbinger, as others had done so already. It is not my job to ensure that Harbinger reads my criticisms or defends himself, any more than it&#8217;s my job to ensure Gordon Brown, or Ed Balls, can do those things. Perhaps you think no one has any right to criticise unless the object of their criticism knows about it and can answer back. Or perhaps you think my sniping at defenceless targets is somehow ignoble. Whatever. It is not at all obvious to me that you&#8217;re actually interested in answers or fairness, considering your noteworthy disagreement of even my most flippant statements of opinion, so you&#8217;ll forgive me if I stop giving a shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Rob</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you happy to amend your self-contradictions and inaccuracies Bella? I have seen you Tweet a completely distorted representation of another post I made here, and then decline to answer further questions when this was pointed out. I believe it concerned your use of the word &quot;sexist&quot; - see comments:

http://bellagerens.com/2010/01/28/the-very-definition-of-sinister/

So no, I will leave you to continue attacking what others have said (see Harbinger supra for latest example) here, of course, rather than where they might see your criticism and be able to defend themselves.

By the way is Hrothgar, with his knowledge of teen girlie nudie sites, your bitch, or your gimp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you happy to amend your self-contradictions and inaccuracies Bella? I have seen you Tweet a completely distorted representation of another post I made here, and then decline to answer further questions when this was pointed out. I believe it concerned your use of the word &#8220;sexist&#8221; &#8211; see comments:</p>
<p><a href="http://bellagerens.com/2010/01/28/the-very-definition-of-sinister/" rel="nofollow">http://bellagerens.com/2010/01/28/the-very-definition-of-sinister/</a></p>
<p>So no, I will leave you to continue attacking what others have said (see Harbinger supra for latest example) here, of course, rather than where they might see your criticism and be able to defend themselves.</p>
<p>By the way is Hrothgar, with his knowledge of teen girlie nudie sites, your bitch, or your gimp?</p>
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		<title>By: Hrothgar</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1708</link>
		<dc:creator>Hrothgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I add that people who sit around the slave table--yes, that&#039;s how it&#039;s popularly known--necessarily end up with their feet all over the little slave carvings. I don&#039;t see how this passes for a monument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I add that people who sit around the slave table&#8211;yes, that&#8217;s how it&#8217;s popularly known&#8211;necessarily end up with their feet all over the little slave carvings. I don&#8217;t see how this passes for a monument.</p>
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		<title>By: bellagerens</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2010/02/13/commentary-at-the-telegraph/comment-page-1/#comment-1707</link>
		<dc:creator>bellagerens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised to hear that, as my general impression is that the right-on regard history as a tool for manipulating present outcomes rather than as a record of human development. I will give you an example.

My undergraduate university was a state institution that had been founded in 1789 and endowed over the years by prominent politicians, businessmen, and landowners - many of whom had also been slave owners, as this was in the South of the US. The buildings they had paid for had been named in their honour. When I was an undergrad there, there was a movement to have many of these buildings renamed, as the right-on could not countenance continued honour being paid to men who had been owners of slaves. The state legislature refused to do any such thing, claiming the vast majority of students associated the names with the buildings, not the men who&#039;d paid for them, and as in many cases the names were carved into the masonry, it would be a pointless waste of taxpayers&#039; money to have them removed or replaced by engravers.

In the end, however, the right-on made such a fuss that a compromise was needed; and the state paid a sculptor to create a monument to the slaves in question, and to the slaves who had participated in the construction of the older buildings on campus. For a monument, it is a bizarre thing: a thick disc some two metres in diameter carried at knee-height by miniature figures of burdened slaves, all carved out of some opaque black stone. It&#039;s situated in the middle of the huge north quad and is only visible as a meaningful monument if one is standing right next to it. Since the &#039;no smoking within 100 feet of a building&#039; rule came in, it is now used as a convenient seat for those students wishing to have a quiet fag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised to hear that, as my general impression is that the right-on regard history as a tool for manipulating present outcomes rather than as a record of human development. I will give you an example.</p>
<p>My undergraduate university was a state institution that had been founded in 1789 and endowed over the years by prominent politicians, businessmen, and landowners &#8211; many of whom had also been slave owners, as this was in the South of the US. The buildings they had paid for had been named in their honour. When I was an undergrad there, there was a movement to have many of these buildings renamed, as the right-on could not countenance continued honour being paid to men who had been owners of slaves. The state legislature refused to do any such thing, claiming the vast majority of students associated the names with the buildings, not the men who&#8217;d paid for them, and as in many cases the names were carved into the masonry, it would be a pointless waste of taxpayers&#8217; money to have them removed or replaced by engravers.</p>
<p>In the end, however, the right-on made such a fuss that a compromise was needed; and the state paid a sculptor to create a monument to the slaves in question, and to the slaves who had participated in the construction of the older buildings on campus. For a monument, it is a bizarre thing: a thick disc some two metres in diameter carried at knee-height by miniature figures of burdened slaves, all carved out of some opaque black stone. It&#8217;s situated in the middle of the huge north quad and is only visible as a meaningful monument if one is standing right next to it. Since the &#8216;no smoking within 100 feet of a building&#8217; rule came in, it is now used as a convenient seat for those students wishing to have a quiet fag.</p>
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