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	<description>inde vides agilem bella gerentem</description>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2009/08/25/bansturbation-by-proxy-successful-again/comment-page-1/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moms whose kids have been hurt/killed are one of the greatest threats to liberty, sadly. Nobody dares tell them to shut the fuck up, because they&#039;re upset mothers. I mentioned over on Cats the other day an argument I had with a campaigning mother a couple of years ago; her son had been hurt in a fight in a nightclub so she wanted drinking glasses banned. That&#039;s going ahead now. I remember one particular point when she pointed at a glass on her little display table and said &quot;it&#039;s outrageous that they allow deadly weapons in nightclubs!&quot; and I replied with some intensity, &quot;That&#039;s not a weapon, it&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;drinking utensil!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.

Whatever. As our debate went on, people toddled up one after another to sign her petition; none of whom appeared demographically to be the nightclubbing type. I pointed out to one middle aged bloke that if they ban glasses in nightclubs, pubs would be next. A look of horror appeared on his face; the woman assured him, &quot;Oh no, it&#039;s just nightclubs&quot; and he went away happy that he&#039;d signed a petition for somebody else to be treated like a child and, no, really, there&#039;s no such thing as the slippery slope. Ho hum.

So, well, mothers. Enormous risk to liberty, so they are. They ought to be banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moms whose kids have been hurt/killed are one of the greatest threats to liberty, sadly. Nobody dares tell them to shut the fuck up, because they&#8217;re upset mothers. I mentioned over on Cats the other day an argument I had with a campaigning mother a couple of years ago; her son had been hurt in a fight in a nightclub so she wanted drinking glasses banned. That&#8217;s going ahead now. I remember one particular point when she pointed at a glass on her little display table and said &#8220;it&#8217;s outrageous that they allow deadly weapons in nightclubs!&#8221; and I replied with some intensity, &#8220;That&#8217;s not a weapon, it&#8217;s a <i>drinking utensil!</i>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Whatever. As our debate went on, people toddled up one after another to sign her petition; none of whom appeared demographically to be the nightclubbing type. I pointed out to one middle aged bloke that if they ban glasses in nightclubs, pubs would be next. A look of horror appeared on his face; the woman assured him, &#8220;Oh no, it&#8217;s just nightclubs&#8221; and he went away happy that he&#8217;d signed a petition for somebody else to be treated like a child and, no, really, there&#8217;s no such thing as the slippery slope. Ho hum.</p>
<p>So, well, mothers. Enormous risk to liberty, so they are. They ought to be banned.</p>
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		<title>By: Longrider</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2009/08/25/bansturbation-by-proxy-successful-again/comment-page-1/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>Longrider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ban on violent porn was also a one-woman campaign following the death of her daughter. Yup, it&#039;s happened before and will again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ban on violent porn was also a one-woman campaign following the death of her daughter. Yup, it&#8217;s happened before and will again.</p>
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		<title>By: Talwin</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2009/08/25/bansturbation-by-proxy-successful-again/comment-page-1/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Talwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despise this Labour government sufficiently that if I could, I&#039;d blame Alan Johnson, and before him, Jacqui Smith, for the rabbits having just nipped off my carnation cuttings; my wife buying too many frocks (&#039;they were in the sale&#039;); my 2-years-old hernia op. giving me a twinge now and then, and the fact that it seems to piss down all the time.

However, in all conscience I can&#039;t. And neither do I blame them for the sad death of a free-thinking, mature 21-year-old who, had she still been around, would probably have told a nanny government, about to ban the relevant substance, to fuck right off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despise this Labour government sufficiently that if I could, I&#8217;d blame Alan Johnson, and before him, Jacqui Smith, for the rabbits having just nipped off my carnation cuttings; my wife buying too many frocks (&#8216;they were in the sale&#8217;); my 2-years-old hernia op. giving me a twinge now and then, and the fact that it seems to piss down all the time.</p>
<p>However, in all conscience I can&#8217;t. And neither do I blame them for the sad death of a free-thinking, mature 21-year-old who, had she still been around, would probably have told a nanny government, about to ban the relevant substance, to fuck right off.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Doney</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2009/08/25/bansturbation-by-proxy-successful-again/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Doney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Girl dies from bee sting. Ban all bees.

Woman run over by train. Ban all trains.

Boy drowns in sea trying to rescue dog. Ban the sea. Or should it be dogs?

Man falls out of bed, hits head and dies. Ban beds?

Hang on a minute. Do you see the pattern here?

BAN PEOPLE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Girl dies from bee sting. Ban all bees.</p>
<p>Woman run over by train. Ban all trains.</p>
<p>Boy drowns in sea trying to rescue dog. Ban the sea. Or should it be dogs?</p>
<p>Man falls out of bed, hits head and dies. Ban beds?</p>
<p>Hang on a minute. Do you see the pattern here?</p>
<p>BAN PEOPLE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vicola</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2009/08/25/bansturbation-by-proxy-successful-again/comment-page-1/#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government just loves to ban stuff, especially fun stuff. It makes it look like they are doing something useful instead of just scouring the latest Habitat catalogue to see what the taxpayer can buy them for the living room. It also makes them look like they&#039;re doing something useful about social problems, or at least it does in their heads. Unless Hestor Stewart was forced to take this drug against her will then the one and only person responsible for her death is herself. Not the Home Office. Why does no one ever take responsibility for their own actions any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government just loves to ban stuff, especially fun stuff. It makes it look like they are doing something useful instead of just scouring the latest Habitat catalogue to see what the taxpayer can buy them for the living room. It also makes them look like they&#8217;re doing something useful about social problems, or at least it does in their heads. Unless Hestor Stewart was forced to take this drug against her will then the one and only person responsible for her death is herself. Not the Home Office. Why does no one ever take responsibility for their own actions any more?</p>
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		<title>By: wh00ps</title>
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		<dc:creator>wh00ps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...would get.
Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;would get.<br />
Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: wh00ps</title>
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		<dc:creator>wh00ps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is perhaps also worth noting that &#039;banning stuff that people like to do&#039; is already government policy. I can just imagine how far a grieving mother campaigning to have heroin legalised because its prohibited status made it more attractive to her dead son...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is perhaps also worth noting that &#8216;banning stuff that people like to do&#8217; is already government policy. I can just imagine how far a grieving mother campaigning to have heroin legalised because its prohibited status made it more attractive to her dead son&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot-on.  In a sane country this story would be filed under &#039;shit happens&#039;.

What&#039;s sinister about constantly and unthinkingly blaming the government for &#039;not preventing&#039; stuff like this (and even far worse things like Baby P) is the implication the government really is responsible for us.  It concedes the whole enchilada, in exchange for the fleeting satisfactions of blaming/sacking minor officials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot-on.  In a sane country this story would be filed under &#8216;shit happens&#8217;.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s sinister about constantly and unthinkingly blaming the government for &#8216;not preventing&#8217; stuff like this (and even far worse things like Baby P) is the implication the government really is responsible for us.  It concedes the whole enchilada, in exchange for the fleeting satisfactions of blaming/sacking minor officials.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many idiots die each year of glue/aerosol abuse, I don&#039;t see calls to ban these. People like this make me sick and is typical of our blame everyone else society, the young girl experimented made a mistake and paid the ultimate price, her mother should accept it and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many idiots die each year of glue/aerosol abuse, I don&#8217;t see calls to ban these. People like this make me sick and is typical of our blame everyone else society, the young girl experimented made a mistake and paid the ultimate price, her mother should accept it and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: nbc</title>
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		<dc:creator>nbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bella

If you&#039;re going to stay this side of the looking glass it might be advisable to dispense with logic, if only to keep your blood pressure within reasonable limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bella</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to stay this side of the looking glass it might be advisable to dispense with logic, if only to keep your blood pressure within reasonable limits.</p>
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