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	<description>inde vides agilem bella gerentem</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Duffin</title>
		<link>http://bellagerens.com/2009/08/20/the-eu-and-the-rest-of-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Duffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veracruz: If Angus Fergus McTavish was working at Gatwick, then he was NOT in his own country.

Just saying.

Nearer to the topic, the way to get decent treatment from anybody&#039;s immigration service is not to enter at huge busy tourist airports.

Last time I went to the US, I flew to Canada and then drove into the US at a tiny border crossing. The staff there were friendly, polite, and helpful; the whole experience was as near to pleasurable as such things can be.

Of course, I do appreciate that - Britain being an island and all that - my advise isn&#039;t applicable in the current case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veracruz: If Angus Fergus McTavish was working at Gatwick, then he was NOT in his own country.</p>
<p>Just saying.</p>
<p>Nearer to the topic, the way to get decent treatment from anybody&#8217;s immigration service is not to enter at huge busy tourist airports.</p>
<p>Last time I went to the US, I flew to Canada and then drove into the US at a tiny border crossing. The staff there were friendly, polite, and helpful; the whole experience was as near to pleasurable as such things can be.</p>
<p>Of course, I do appreciate that &#8211; Britain being an island and all that &#8211; my advise isn&#8217;t applicable in the current case!</p>
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		<title>By: Orient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your problem was coming through like a normal person - just go to Calais and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206998/Stowaway-express-Border-agency-coach-waved-day-brought-hundreds-illegals-UK.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;smuggle yourself back on the BA&#039;s own coach&lt;/a&gt; .

You&#039;ll never have to worry about seeing a BA man again! :);. All the best!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your problem was coming through like a normal person &#8211; just go to Calais and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206998/Stowaway-express-Border-agency-coach-waved-day-brought-hundreds-illegals-UK.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;smuggle yourself back on the BA&#39;s own coach&lt;/a&gt; .</p>
<p>You&#39;ll never have to worry about seeing a BA man again! :);. All the best!!</p>
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		<title>By: assegai mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>assegai mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Points well made above on US Immigration (and Canadian: had an annoying experience at Calgary airport once.) Doesn&#039;t make it an excuse for our lot to emulate and surpass them, however.

Good shout, Tom. Brazil is my #1 fave movie. Gordy Brown&#039;s cabinet&#039;s training video.

Congratulations on your nuptials, Bella.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Points well made above on US Immigration (and Canadian: had an annoying experience at Calgary airport once.) Doesn&#8217;t make it an excuse for our lot to emulate and surpass them, however.</p>
<p>Good shout, Tom. Brazil is my #1 fave movie. Gordy Brown&#8217;s cabinet&#8217;s training video.</p>
<p>Congratulations on your nuptials, Bella.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Simpleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on the marriage.

I find it creepy that we now have Border Agents and not Immigration staff. Pretty soon they&#039;ll be quizzing us as we leave.

Anyway, all that fuss and only 2100 people stopped. I wonder what that works out on a per person stopped. It would probably be cheaper to let them in and give them benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on the marriage.</p>
<p>I find it creepy that we now have Border Agents and not Immigration staff. Pretty soon they&#8217;ll be quizzing us as we leave.</p>
<p>Anyway, all that fuss and only 2100 people stopped. I wonder what that works out on a per person stopped. It would probably be cheaper to let them in and give them benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: bellagerens</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellagerens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a good point, Talwin. US Border Control are hard-asses indeed. They once questioned me (albeit briefly) because they&#039;d never heard of the town where I lived. (&#039;Aha! Immigration criminals are always inventing place-names to disguise their intentions. I shall sniff out this lie with the keenness of a foxhound.&#039;)

Fortunately, the officer in the other half of the same booth piped up to say his son went to summer camp there every year. It was a curious mix of hard-assness and down-home friendliness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good point, Talwin. US Border Control are hard-asses indeed. They once questioned me (albeit briefly) because they&#8217;d never heard of the town where I lived. (&#8216;Aha! Immigration criminals are always inventing place-names to disguise their intentions. I shall sniff out this lie with the keenness of a foxhound.&#8217;)</p>
<p>Fortunately, the officer in the other half of the same booth piped up to say his son went to summer camp there every year. It was a curious mix of hard-assness and down-home friendliness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Talwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly that the UK Border Agency employees who &#039;greet&#039; you when you return to Blighty are, for the most part, ignorant tossers.

But I just get the feeling that, like so many other home-grown bureaucrats, they&#039;re playing at being &#039;serious&#039; and &#039;tough&#039;, and, of course, they&#039;re absolutely crap at it. They may want to look like Sylvester Stallone on a bad day, but it&#039;s hard to do this when you&#039;re a balding, weedy, forty-something, wearing a Primark short-sleeved jumper over an ill-fitting shirt and crappily-knotted tie.

And it just makes you want to take them on. If you have the temerity to suggest how shambolic the whole affair is you just get the now routine, defensive accusation that you&#039;re being  &#039;aggressive&#039;. This can be tricky because although it&#039;s easy to see what insipid jobsworths they are, one shouldn&#039;t, I suppose, harbour the delusion that they&#039;re not still capable of the sort of vindictiveness which leads to you ending your protest or contretemps with a torch shone up your arse or missing your connection.

My guess is they&#039;re unsuccessfully trying to ape their counterparts in the USA: the ones who do sinister really, really well. No Primark jumpers for them; rather, they sport those scary, dark blue uniforms (how do they get their creases so sharp?), bristling with badges, medals and sundry instruments, the purpose of which, no doubt, is to inflict pain and/or humiliation. They work from booths upon which, prominently displayed, are signs saying (and I paraphrase) you&#039;re welcome in the USA; we&#039;re here to serve; we will be efficient, polite and treat you like you&#039;re human. All this, of course, as they carry out their business silently, using only a forefinger to indicate each part of the process.

And they do this, each surrounded by an aura such as that generated by the road boss in Cool Hand Luke.

UK Border Agency to note. If you&#039;re going to try and be hard, no more Primark jumpers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly that the UK Border Agency employees who &#8216;greet&#8217; you when you return to Blighty are, for the most part, ignorant tossers.</p>
<p>But I just get the feeling that, like so many other home-grown bureaucrats, they&#8217;re playing at being &#8216;serious&#8217; and &#8216;tough&#8217;, and, of course, they&#8217;re absolutely crap at it. They may want to look like Sylvester Stallone on a bad day, but it&#8217;s hard to do this when you&#8217;re a balding, weedy, forty-something, wearing a Primark short-sleeved jumper over an ill-fitting shirt and crappily-knotted tie.</p>
<p>And it just makes you want to take them on. If you have the temerity to suggest how shambolic the whole affair is you just get the now routine, defensive accusation that you&#8217;re being  &#8216;aggressive&#8217;. This can be tricky because although it&#8217;s easy to see what insipid jobsworths they are, one shouldn&#8217;t, I suppose, harbour the delusion that they&#8217;re not still capable of the sort of vindictiveness which leads to you ending your protest or contretemps with a torch shone up your arse or missing your connection.</p>
<p>My guess is they&#8217;re unsuccessfully trying to ape their counterparts in the USA: the ones who do sinister really, really well. No Primark jumpers for them; rather, they sport those scary, dark blue uniforms (how do they get their creases so sharp?), bristling with badges, medals and sundry instruments, the purpose of which, no doubt, is to inflict pain and/or humiliation. They work from booths upon which, prominently displayed, are signs saying (and I paraphrase) you&#8217;re welcome in the USA; we&#8217;re here to serve; we will be efficient, polite and treat you like you&#8217;re human. All this, of course, as they carry out their business silently, using only a forefinger to indicate each part of the process.</p>
<p>And they do this, each surrounded by an aura such as that generated by the road boss in Cool Hand Luke.</p>
<p>UK Border Agency to note. If you&#8217;re going to try and be hard, no more Primark jumpers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that the British establishment have used Terry Gilliam&#039;s Brazil movie as training course material and BAA have used it as an interior design benchmark...

Provincial airports can be even worse than the London ones - half wit &#039;scurritee and scowling, staring officialdom seem the rule.

You seem to like it here - I&#039;m a native - and I&#039;ve seen enough - I&#039;m off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that the British establishment have used Terry Gilliam&#8217;s Brazil movie as training course material and BAA have used it as an interior design benchmark&#8230;</p>
<p>Provincial airports can be even worse than the London ones &#8211; half wit &#8216;scurritee and scowling, staring officialdom seem the rule.</p>
<p>You seem to like it here &#8211; I&#8217;m a native &#8211; and I&#8217;ve seen enough &#8211; I&#8217;m off.</p>
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		<title>By: nbc</title>
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		<dc:creator>nbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back Bella and congratulations to you both.

JuliaM beat me to it though, you are &quot;low hanging fruit&quot; as far as the BA are concerned because you try to stay within the law and subject yourself to their authoritay...

The last time I talked to a border agent I asked her whether the book she was reading was any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Bella and congratulations to you both.</p>
<p>JuliaM beat me to it though, you are &#8220;low hanging fruit&#8221; as far as the BA are concerned because you try to stay within the law and subject yourself to their authoritay&#8230;</p>
<p>The last time I talked to a border agent I asked her whether the book she was reading was any good.</p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, you can&#039;t just walk in the UK line with your husband now? That&#039;s what my wife does when family demands mean I have to revisit the cursed isle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, you can&#8217;t just walk in the UK line with your husband now? That&#8217;s what my wife does when family demands mean I have to revisit the cursed isle.</p>
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		<title>By: FrancisT</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrancisT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God knows I don&#039;t want to defend the Border Gestapo but fairness makes me point out that other countries (in my experience the USA and Canada) have similar fucked up IT systems. Until I changed my passport I had endless trouble getting into Canada after one trip where, for obscure reasons, I mislaid my passport on entry and used a california drivers license instead.

My boss had a similar deal with the HSA/INS in the USA where the morons had a problem with the idea that a trip could be for both business and pleasure and thus considered that he was lying. Thereafter he gets interrogated specially every time he goes into the US.

In both cases the reason is that what is noted is a flag by the passport numebr that says &quot;problem&quot; without saying what the problem is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God knows I don&#8217;t want to defend the Border Gestapo but fairness makes me point out that other countries (in my experience the USA and Canada) have similar fucked up IT systems. Until I changed my passport I had endless trouble getting into Canada after one trip where, for obscure reasons, I mislaid my passport on entry and used a california drivers license instead.</p>
<p>My boss had a similar deal with the HSA/INS in the USA where the morons had a problem with the idea that a trip could be for both business and pleasure and thus considered that he was lying. Thereafter he gets interrogated specially every time he goes into the US.</p>
<p>In both cases the reason is that what is noted is a flag by the passport numebr that says &#8220;problem&#8221; without saying what the problem is.</p>
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